{"id":7467,"date":"2018-06-07T08:35:03","date_gmt":"2018-06-07T08:35:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/?p=7467"},"modified":"2025-01-27T17:21:49","modified_gmt":"2025-01-27T17:21:49","slug":"london-family-photographer-why-parents-should-be-in-the-photos-too","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/index.php\/london-family-photographer-why-parents-should-be-in-the-photos-too\/","title":{"rendered":"London Family Photographer &#8211; why parents should be in the photos too!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Working as a London Family Photographer I am privileged to meet\u00a0so many lovely families all over this beautiful city. I really enjoy having a little glimpse into their family life for an hour or two. And I always\u00a0try and photograph it in as authentic and natural a way as possible.<\/p>\n<h2>Parents\u00a0&#8211; get in those family photos!<\/h2>\n<p>There is one thing I feel quite strongly about when photographing families. That is to persuade the parents to get in the photos as well\u00a0even\u00a0if they\u2019re not too keen! I know that feeling so well. I&#8217;m actually not crazy about being photographed myself, so I really do have every sympathy. It\u2019s so easy to think I\u2019ll wait until I\u2019ve had my hair done. Or I&#8217;ll wait until\u00a0l I\u2019m looking a bit less tired after a holiday. Or let\u2019s be honest \u2013 until I can actually do up the top button of my jeans! But in the end, I ignore all those feelings and get myself in front of the camera.<\/p>\n<h2>One day your grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be loving these photos<\/h2>\n<p>Why? Because I know that one day these photos will be looked at and treasured by my children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and beyond. Especially if the images are in a beautiful photo album, not on a USB tucked in a drawer, but that\u2019s another story and a different blog post! The generations to come aren\u2019t going to care whether my make-up was done perfectly. They won&#8217;t notice if my teeth weren\u2019t as white as they could have been. They\u2019ll just be fascinated to see photos of their ancestors, imperfections and all. They\u2019ll be interested to see what I was like &#8211; not just physically but they\u2019ll try and work out my personality from the images as well and the relationship I had with my children, which is something I really try to bring out when photographing families.<\/p>\n<p>So please, please mums and dads &#8211; even if you\u2019re not feeling particularly in the mood, just get yourselves in those family portraits &#8211; one day they will be the most treasured possessions that are passed through the generations.\u00a0 You don\u2019t have to gaze meaningfully into the camera lens \u2013 just have fun with your kids and leave me to capture that amazing relationship you have with those that you love the most.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1001.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7469\" 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https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1016-768x524.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1017.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7485\" src=\"http:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1017.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"546\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1017.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1017-300x205.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1017-768x524.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1018.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7486\" src=\"http:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1018.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"546\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1018.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1018-300x205.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.alexakidd-may.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/London-Family-Photographer-1018-768x524.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Working as a London Family Photographer I am privileged to meet\u00a0so many lovely families all over this beautiful city. I really enjoy having a little glimpse into their family life for an hour or two. And I always\u00a0try and photograph it in as authentic and natural a way as possible. 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